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  1. Hi, I am looking to install two Panasonic inverter air conditioning units in a holiday rental. If I fit a coin operated meter for the guests will this have an adverse effect on the units? Is there an ‘inverter friendly’ coin meter? The installation guy said they are harmful to the units as they don’t give them time to cool down before the power shuts off.

    1. Hi, yes. A coin meter if not modified or properly controlled will often just cut the main power to the air conditioning units. Normally, when an AC unit is switched off using the controller, the fan will run for a while to dry out the coil, the compressor oil will circulate back and other safety systems will run for a while to ensure everything is normal before they all stop. Cutting the main power will hurt the system in long run.

      However, there is a way out.

      If you can get a coin meter and add a relay (dry contact), then get the wired controller from Panasonic, you could tap the coin meter into the “remote on/off” or “force stop” terminal on the wired controller to CUT SIGNAL (not power) to the AC units. That way, you stop the AC from being turned on without harming it.

      This would need some study to see if the wired controller is capable of doing that. See if the installation guy can help.

      Thank you.

  2. I have a new home with Inverter System. I want to replace the no-frills themostat with a WiFi one. Does the Inverter System need a special themostat?
    Thanks

  3. In Indonesia, inverters have a very low penetration in the market. every salesperson (both big box and small stores) said “Inverter air conditioners break more easily; Once they break, they keep breaking; Maintenance costs more; Few technicians know how to service them; Some technicians are scared to clean them.”

    In North America, almost everything is inverter. So, it does make sense to me why they have such a bad reputation.

    Aqua, Gree, and Midea all have 5 years parts, labor and refrigerant guarantee. In five years, the 30% energy savings may have paid for the air conditioners.

    Currently, our new rental only has 2200VA service for 5 fairly large bedrooms. Previously, there were 4 air conditioners but we have no idea how well they worked because the house has been empty for 2+ years and a thief stole the coolant lines. Decided it was better to buy new than trying to get those old ACs to work. The nameplates of the old standard ACs (two 1PK, one 1/2pk and one unknown) totaled 12.3 A (or maybe 14.3) but max house current is 2200VA/220V = 10A!

    So, they were ok if they didn’t start them all at the same time?

    For sizing, 4 rooms 0.75 pk and 1 room 1.5 pk, but inverters that I am looking at don’t come in 0.75 pk. If I add up the rated watts of Gree 5 star inverter split AC, there’s no way unless they really do run at much less than their rated power most of the time.
    2200VA = 2200 W
    one 1.5 pk @ 1170W + four 1.0 pk @ 655W = 3790 W
    Can easily upgrade to 3500VA but that increases the price 18%, which wipes out half of the 30% savings of going with an inverter.

    Some guides say that we could use three 0.5 pk, then
    one 1.5 pk @ 1170W + four 0.5 pk @ 350W = 2578 W

    But that would be pushing them. I can’t tell if an stressed 0.5 pk will use more or less energy than an underutilized 1.0 pk. All 0.5 pk are 4 star instead of 5 star so maybe that would wipe out any savings.

    I don’t understand the data.
    4 star 0.5 pk: 5000 btu/h uses 350W, so 5000/350 = 14.3 Btu/h/W
    5 star 1.0 pk: 9000 btu/h uses 655W, so 9000/655 = 13.74 Btu/h/W
    5 star 1.5 pk: 12100 btu/h uses 1170W, so 12100/1170 = 10.34 Btu/h/W

    The 4 star appears more efficient than the 5 star, but the star rating is a seasonal rating. Another 1.5 pk model has a higher Btu/h/W but only 4 star instead of 5 star.

    Rooms are 13.5, 11.8, 12.1, 11.5, 20.5 m2
    Accounting for sun and one has a large master bathroom, I get:
    14.8, 11.8, 12.1, 11.5, 23.5 m2 in Jakarta, Indonesia

    Perhaps I first buy a 0.5 pk for our smallest or least used room and see how it works but that could be a waste of money.

  4. Thank you for the advice! It will be helpful. My wife and I live in Atlanta, Georgia, but are currently in the process of building a vacation home in Puerto Rico, out of concrete. In Puerto Rico they use inverters. Of which I know nothing about. So your article will be helpful. The only real concern I have is that two of the rooms are long. The kitchen/living room area is about 550 square feet. This room is pretty well protected from the direct sun and heat. This room is down stairs. The other room is upstairs and is about 325 square feet with a vaulted ceiling. Unlike downstairs, the longest wall receives a direct hit from the western sun. I’ve already decided not to put any windows in this wall. However, I was planning to put the inverter on this wall close to the seating area. The only other option is to put the inverter towards the back of the room, the north wall, in the staircase, which would still blow into the seating area. This room is 13 X 25. Do you have any thoughts and sizes of inverters for these two rooms?

    1. If the walls and roof are well insulated, a 18k BTU unit would be good for the 550 sqft kitchen/living room, and a 12k BTU unit would be good for the upstairs 325 sqft room. Thank you.

  5. I am looking at installing some AC units to my holiday home in Italy.

    I’ve seen one Ariston system online that has one inverter and 4 AC units.

    Link below :

    https://megaclima.it/climatizzatori-a-parete-/3414-ariston-climatizzatore-quadri-split-alys-r-32-99912-con-quad110xd0c-o-inverter-wi-fi-optional-classe-a.html?tpid=T1lDRlhvdVkrT05MZERUSCtPcjFiQlYzNFkyMXZXdDNFc2VVa3phY3RMQXltTW1qVVoxUlpzdFFZQTNKTFZOSg2

    My question is, would this inverter have the capacity for me to add an additional AC units in the future?

    If not, can you recommend any Ariston inverters, or or similar priced brands that would have the capacity to add on an additional AC in the future.

    Thanks
    Steve

    1. This inverter unit should have a total capacity of 48k BTU. Since your total AC units capacity is only 39k BTU (9+9+12), you have a spare 9k BTU. However, this inverter unit may only have 4 ports which means you can only connect maximum 4 AC units. If so, in the future, you can only upgrade the existing AC unit (eg: from 9k to 12k) instead of adding one more AC unit. Thanks.